File 025185
Email Chain About Probability, Physics, and Open Science Research (File 025185)
Email correspondence between David Grosof and Jeffrey E. discussing probability theory, physical forces, open science initiatives, and life science ventures, with mentions of Jim Watson and consciousness research.
Summary
This email chain from January 2017 features an extended discussion between David Grosof and Jeffrey E. about probability as a physical force rather than a statistical concept, drawing parallels to gravity and centrifugal force. The conversation also covers Grosof's interests in open science publishing (PLoS, Wikipedia, Internet Archive), early-stage life science ventures with emerging technologies, cybersecurity practices, and philanthropy supporting high-risk basic science research. References are made to Jim Watson's work, Jonathan Victor's neural coding research, and Reese Jones's consciousness hacking initiatives at Singularity University.
From: jeffrey E. [jeevacation@gmail.com]Sent: 1/20/2017 1:04:00 PMTo: David GrosofSubject: Re: Your Special DayImportance: Highgod - so he does play, just not with fair diceOn Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:44 AM, David Grosof -(1=1> wrote:Is there something for central tendency that is like an inertial reference frame, from which a different abstractunderstanding of probability develops, one that's better for showing the kloodgey, apparent force nature towhich you point?Please forgive typos. Sent from Android Nexus 6 phone.On Jan 20, 2017 4:32 AM, "jeffrey E." <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:yes , now assume that there i a balancing force. and gravity is merely the result of paticles being pushedtogether . etcOn Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:26 AM, David Grosof < wrote:http://xkcd.com/123/ can't resist!Please forgive typos. Sent from Android Nexus 6 phone.On Jan 20, 2017 4:14 AM, "jeffrey E." <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:probablity and statistics gets its strengh from the law of large numbers. centrifigal force is a pseudoforce but not distinguishable in the right frame. . like gravity, lets assume that there is a force pushingheads and tails towards a 50 50 distribution. . not merely recording it. regression to themean. etc. would. could be a force similar to the EM one.On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:11 AM, David Grosof -Cool. And the former question, of clarification?Please forgive typos. Sent from Android Nexus 6 phone.wrote:On Jan 20, 2017 4:10 AM, "jeffrey E." <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:pretty wellOn Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:02 AM, David Grosof < wrote:Probability as a force rather than a what?Didn't suss out the next word...Watson's pretty wild and fun, if overconfident about some ideas about autism when I saw him talk —4years ago on book tour @Google. I met him once through Gunther Stent, as well as Crick on anotheroccasion. Know him well?D.Please forgive typos. Sent from Android Nexus 6 phone.On Jan 20, 2017 2:47 AM, "jeffrey E." <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:1. is probability a force rather than a markter. if you look at a bell curve from scratch, it looks as ifit under a force pushing things towards the center. i think gravity might be just that. 2. all signalsHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025185in nature need to be envvyrpted so that the enemy cannot read. this includes inner signals that if youare aware of, can give you up to your predator. so signals from the nose , my conjecture is that eachperson has its own enxruption de encyption algorithm built in. fyi having dinnner with Jin Watson.On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:28 AM, David Grosof wrote:At 10:13 PM 01/19/17, you wrote:all good.A A thx.A A areas of interest,A A A A distribuitionsA in nature. .A A A A 2deception.A 3.A sleep . 4.A power. 5 money.A 6 music and the brain. 7, signal intellignece in thebiologocal systemsExcellent alignment with some of my interests or those of people I like and think are smart!The rest of the truncated message has been sent.1. What's been stimulating as a source of good questions for the "distributions in nature" issue?7. "Signal intelligence in biol. systems" seems to cover all of neurophysiology: Jonathan Victor, whomyou met a few years ago in your office, is powerfully thoughtful on the issues of neural coding. Arethere specific examples that have stimulated you to better questions or turned your thinking around?6. Are you aware of apps that purport to play music to enhance productivity and focus on tasks athand? My buddy Reese Jones has backed that; he has a fascinating set of beliefs and projects aroundwhat may soon be understood as "consciousness hacking." He's on the board of Singularity Universityas one of the founders. (His father was a pioneer UCSF MD researcher of hallucinogens, I believe!)More to come in a day or so.Thanks!You're up late or you're not so east of my SF location!DavidPS How to trade the Trump-GOP demolition of the welfare state, erratic elevation of risks of tradedisruptions and war? Has anyone from the rational center or left given thought to how to respond to anational emergency to cope with a kakistocratic seizure of emergency powers? The Patriot Act was ona 'shelf as you know, ready to be used. What should the better folks in this country have at hand if,say, a port is subject to a radiological attack of unknown origin?On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:07 AM, David Grosof <11M11 wrote:Dear Jeffrey,A Congratulations on another spin around the sun.A I would like to offer you a birthday present: my best efforts for a few hours on something where Imight be able to contribute either to making something good happen for you or help you prevent thebad.We haven't talked much at all for quite some time, so I'm not sure of the nature of your currentinterests but here are some of mine, where I feel I either have some special capability or can get accessto those who have such.* open science -- open access publishing, data publishing, and open culture institutions considered as anetwork with largely consistent and mutually reinforcing values: Public Library of Science (PLoS),Wikipedia, Internet Archive, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and Creative Commons, along with alliedUS, UK, European governmental and NGO funding sources and other institutions.HOUSE OVERSIGHT 025186* early-stage life science-based ventures, especially those with one or more of these technologies:optics, wearable-sensors, brain-computer interface, behavioral engineering that goes beyond robo-noodging. I am not up to speed on synthetic bio and CRISPR, but I have a good friend who is.* cybersecurity for you and your life. I have carefully monitored the web for articles about you and Ihave reason to think that those will persist indefinitely. I would be remiss as your friend if I did notencourage you to be as diligent and smart as possible in using tools like Signal, two-factor/multi-factorauthentication, taking webmail archives off the web onto your own secure privately maintained archiveor deleted (unlike Podesta), and other measures.* publicity for your cool-ass creative and important philanthropy in support of really good andadventuresome, high-risk basic science research. Most obvious benefit: it would be nice to know youhung out with the brightDavid GrosofAA AA AA A please noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedDavid Grosofplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, andHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025187destroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, andHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025188destroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025189